Problems with the Institute of Engineering (IOE), Pulchowk Graduates

Posted by: Rudra Pandey

I have managed, counseled and led many graduates from IOE, Pulchowk. I have seen them grow, learn, mature and even struggle. I certainly feel that I have enough information about range of graduates from the school. The graduates from the school can be put all over the map. I have seen both the best and worst side of the graduates from the crème engineering school. By the way, the school has been producing so many great graduates for so many years not because of teachers or administration. The most of the credits go to the brand name (being the first engineering school in the country) which has been able to attract the great pre-engineering students from different part of country, mostly from the Kathmandu based high schools and pre-engineering colleges. Many smart students from the different part of the country end up in the school after one of the toughest entrance exams in the country. The school is considered equivalent to IIT of Nepal. I have been consistently impressed by the level of intelligence many of these graduates possess and most of them are ready for the challenge right out of the school. But these graduates have significant number shortcomings too that I would like to list here. Hopefully, many of them will read this blog and argue with me. I want them to disagree with me and prove me wrong. Remember, every rule and statement has an exception. What I outline below does not come without some exceptions.
I find most of the IOE graduates introvert with consistent deficit of the hunger for broader roles and challenges. Their vision is not clear and they come out of the school without fully carved dreams. They are not thinking of owning a business and/or creating a product. The level of confidence is not apparent. They hardly ask questions in the group settings. They prefer to remain quiet. Most of them care more about high individual performance than the teamwork. They mostly hang around with the same circle of friends that they have been in the school for years. They do not seem to know the value of extending a network. I see many IOE graduates going to the lunch or the drink with the same group of friends every day. They wait for opportunity and do not run to grab them. They do not ask for more work. They expect to be given. Most of them focus more in core technical side of the job (mostly coding) and pay very little attention to the quality control and the documentation. They have some level of arrogance, when it comes to dealing with non-IOE graduates, which is going to hurt them down the road. Since they do not network with people outside of their own circle, their role model is one of their seniors or one of their relatives who have been to B grade school in USA and have gotten a decent enough job. Most of them hang around with vague dreams and I do not find them sweating at the work for better rewards and recognition. I have hardly found any IOE graduate (do not discount exception) coming to me and expressing their dream of creating a product and changing the world. However, over the years, I have changed many of them and have been very fortunate to have them in my team. And they have helped me learn and grow too.
I always ponder what are we missing here? Why can’t we expect more from our best students? Is this because of education they get? Is this our culture? Can we change this? Can we change culture of IOE so that we produce a lot of innovators instead of bunch of nerds who just want to get A+ grade, great GRE score and a foreign job? All of those IOE graduates who have done well should think hard and try to change the very tradition of IOE that they had to through. This is a payback time. Let us help the school so that we produce innovators and thinkers instead of mere taskmasters and task wizards.

Problems with the Institute of Engineering (IOE), Pulchowk Graduates was last modified: January 15th, 2014 by Rudra Pandey

Blog Comments

  1. nishikar

    ok a lot of “humans” have given their opinions about this article, so I decided to try something different. I found this sentiment analysis tool on the web called Open Amplify http://www.openamplify.com/ . [ Sentiment analysis aims to determine the attitude of a speaker or a writer with respect to some topic ( according to wikipedia) ]. I then went through an article written by Natasha Lloyd http://www.natashascorner.com/2009/09/02/amplify-anything-sentiment-analysis-for-the-web/ , then as suggested installed a firefox add on called Ubiquity, which allows you to give commands to firefox , subscribed to the “amplify” command feed which allows you to use OpenAmplify’s sentiment analysis through Ubiquity and executed the “amplify” command on this article. The results were quite interesting. The algorithm used by this application thinks that the key topics used by the writer in order of prominence are “graduate”, “IOE”, “school”, “exception” and “culture” ( No surprises here ). But then the polarity results shown were quite surprising. It suggests that the attitude of the writer towards the topic “IOE” is VERY POSITIVE, for “graduate” is POSITIVE and even for the word “GRE” is VERY POSITIVE!! Infact the only two topics for which the writer’s attitude seems to be NEGATIVE is “exception” and “dream”. You might want to try it too , just go through http://www.natashascorner.com/2009/09/02/amplify-anything-sentiment-analysis-for-the-web/ .

  2. Lava Kafle

    Thank you Rbaral. I also forgot my best friends from IOE Binod Bhatarai and Sharad Pokharel. I asked them to forgive me already as I might be missing more super products of IOE. My friend Kundan lal das , Ranjit , and shyam too I cannot forget in my life

  3. rbarl

    Mr. Pandey’s closing remark implies he has good intention towards IOE and would like the institute to be producing innovators and thinkers rather than ‘coders’.
    However, the content of the article seems to be on the contrary. The anecdotes and references seem rather vague. The word ‘introvert’ seems pulled out of context (and without the necessary knowledge) of personality types such and MBTI.
    In my opinion, Pulchowk Campus does a good job in producing good engineers. I would invite Mr. Pandey to read the objectives of Pulchowk Campus (http://www.ioe.edu.np/about_ioe/objectives.php) and mission statement of Harvard University (http://www.harvard.edu/siteguide/faqs/faq110.php).

  4. Lava Kafle

    Dear fella SrSatyal, Have you seen MANY MANY IOE products worked, working, to-be-working in government offices, many university, colleges, NTC, NEA, other ICT companies?
    Well, exemplify them please, and as far as I know something about software industry here in Nepal for last 10 years, since I became a professional, either they are IOEans or whoever, If they possessed the characteristics mentioned by Author, they would not have been working in THE software company you tagged, because it would be accursedness, discrimination,anti-teaming group-ism, placidity, coercion, non-cordiality, non-hospitality, jaggedness, loggerhead, all against basic theme of software businesses these days.

    Thanks a lot for putting your viewpoint forth here and spending some of your precious moments.
    The writer has meanwhile not expressed any opinion that he targeted employees of any specific company and I have also tried to list as many IOEans I know irrespective of some particular company, time frame, relation, or connection.
    Many IOEans should have been commenting here , you can see my facebook for same similar links that is drawing attention.
    The writer has not told that they all are software, electronics, mechanical or civil engineers, so, he is not co-relating to any software company.

  5. srsatyal

    Appreciation for the writer to his post and the feedback from others.

    As per me the expression of the author is concentric over the IOEans+ D2Hawkeyens and doesnot account for the IOEans outside of his institution.
    Lack of feedback with the disagreement of the writer’s post by the IOE D2Hawkeyens reflects the prevailing of the lacking properties mentioned here. Environment accounts for the all over development of the indiviual, so this may be the reason for writer’s prospect.
    Being in the position to make changes in the individuals i would like to suggest writer to take initiatives to improvize the lacking properties in the IOEans somehow related to him.

    As long as the vicinity of what you are talking about or writing to is local, broaden thinking could be equivalent to no thinking at all.

    If its about dignity i would like to recommend IOE D2Hawkeyens to write something on it as it is part of themselves.

    Regards

  6. Lava Kafle

    I asked one of my IOE pulchowk passed out friends in foreign country and she said she liked this article because Nepali culture made the blogger write in such way and she said we are like machines!!!

    Thank You Sajan, Mukesh, Ashay, Paul, OpenAkash, Mirror for taking this positively as a blog review and taking your instances.
    I could not resist the temptation to write something.

    Some Best IOE Pulchowk Institute of Engineering Pulchowk Lalitpur kathmandu aassociated nepal products I remember in my whole life in last 20 years or more, somehow Non-Chronological order and non-related personally with blood relation: Pawan K Shrestha, Omkar Poudel, Navin Gorkhali, Bijay Ghimire, Raj K Gaire, Sauravananda Thakur, Sachit Rajbhandari,Shreeniwas Sharma,Thakur Gyawali, Pradeep Poudel, Sanjeet Baidya, Shailee Gorkhali, Sajan Sangraula, Smriti Shrestha,Sujan Gautam, Prajwal Shrestha, Bhanu Chalise, Aashish Dutta Koirala, Lal Babu Sah, Surendra Nath Adhikari, Niranjan Thapa, Mahesh Subedi, Dhilung Kirat, Prabin Shakya, Shankar Uprety, Subash Devkota,Shamesh Joshi, Rupendra Chuladyo, Rajani Chulyado, Pradhyumna Shrestha,Rajiv Shrestha, Lekhnath Bhushal, Sabeen Shrestha, Sunny Shakya, Sandeep Phradhananga, Pratik Joshi, Prabhat Sainju, Binod Gyawali, Dinesh Bajracharya, Rajendra Banjade, Santosh Pradhan,Dipesh lamsal, Chakra Bhandari, Mahindra Bastakoti, Sudeep Shakya, Sudeep Ghimire, raghu rajbhandari, Sujan Maskey,Mahesh Shrestha, Roshan Gyawali, Madhav Sigdel, Milan Shrestha, Saroj Dahal, Vinaya Lal Shrestha, Saurav Dhungana, Ashaya Thakur, Mahesh Raj Regmee, Sumit Kumar Singh, Eliza Shrestha, Chnadra Shrestha, Jayaram, Mridu Bhattarai, Parijat Malla, Sunisha Singh, Sdhana Sharma, Ujjwal Dhamala, Piyush Karmacharya,Sudeep Shakya, lochan Shrestha, Namrata Shrestha, Namrata Pradhan Anu Rana, Rajan Dhakal, Shrijana Poudel, Muna Khadka, Luna Gurung, … Sorry for getting sme real close friends teachers, lecturers, professors,….

    Now, We can sort out as mentioned by writer, who can add to fellow IOEans list, how many percent are going after money? Who really have enough money to make a decent living with a superb car and a house to sleep in? Who has enough penny to drink 1 peg a evening? So, why is it so? We can now find answer to the before-mentioned problem.

    Who is IOE-Centric, Who lunches and drinks with only IOE bunch? Who loves only IOE guys or gals, or romances with only IOE related institutions products? Who has IOE or non IOE boyfriends or girlfriends? Who is biased? Please answer.

    It is for readers to review and agree disagree with author. The problem should not be with passed out ppl, but with management in IOE currently as seen below:

    Copy Right-2005-Institute Of Engineering
    Pulchowk Campus
    Department of Electronics and Computer Engineering
    http://doece.ioe.edu.np

    http://www.ioe.edu.np/alumni/ not found–mismanagement due to old people running IOE? please reply
    Conference/Trainings

    * Nepal Asia Pacific Advanced Network Symposium 2005
    * All interested faculties and students are invited for talk programs
    * International Conference on Power System –”Challenges to Electric Utilities in New Millennium”

    News title:
    Lunching Authentication System for Internet Usage in Pulchowk Campus

    Detail News:
    to
    THE HOD,
    ALL Departments of IOE pulchowk campus.
    for the safety and security, CIT is going to lunch new authentication system to access internet from anywhere within the campus. though CIT already has its userdatabase, CIT needs to re-register the users again. so all the HODs of Pulchowk Campus Departments are humbly requested to provide their staffs/faculty member’s following Information within 10 days from the publication of this notice:
    1. Full Name
    2. Designation
    3. Phone No.
    4. User Name (for internet Access)
    5. initial password (users can change their passord after)

    note: contact CIT desk or call 431(internal no) for assistance.

    regards,
    CIT Admin
    History of IOE is here:
    History of engineering education in Nepal can be traced since 1942, when Technical Training School was established. Engineering section of the school offered only trades and civil sub-overseers programs. In 1959, Nepal Engineering Institute, with the assistance of the government of India, started offering civil overseer courses leading to Diploma in Civil Engineering. The Technical Training Institute established in 1965, with the assistance from the Government of Federal Republic of Germany, offered technician courses in General courses in General Mechanics, Auto Mechanics, Electrical Engineering and Mechanical Drafting.

    In 1972, the Nepal Engineering Institute ar Pulchowk and the Technical Training Institute at Thapathali were brought together under the umbrella of the Tribhuvan University to constitute the Institute of Engineering and the Nepal Engineering Institute and the Technical Training Institute were renamed as Pulchowk Campus and Thapathali Campus respectively.

    Since then, the Institute of Engineering has expanded considerably. The technician programs in Electrical, Electronics, Refrigeration/Air-conditioning Engineering were started in the Pulchowk Campus, with the assistance from UNDP/ILO. The Architecture Technician program was started by the IOE in its own effort. With the assistance of the World Bank and UK, later, the existing technician level courses were strengthened and Bachelor’s Degree level course in Civil Engineering was started.Similarly, with the assistance of the World Bank, the Swiss Government, and the Canadian Government, Bachelor Degree level courses in the Electronics, Electrical, Mechanical engineering and Architecture were started in the Pulchowk Campus. From academic year 1998/99 IOE has started Bachelor’s Degree program in Computer Engineering. In 1996 Pulchowk Campus, with support from the Norwegian Government, has started M.Sc. Courses in Urban Planning, Structural Enginnering, Environmental Engineering and Water Resources Engineering Pulchowk Campus has also started M.Sc. courses in Renewable energy and Geothermal Engineering, Information and communication and Power systems Engineering effective from December, 2001. The diploma level programs at the Pulchowk Campus have been transferred to other three IOE campuses.

    The Thapathali Campus is presently offering three-year Diploma level courses in Mechanical, Automobile, Civil Engineering and Architecture.

    The Eastern Region Campus in Dharan, which began operating from 1984, was built with the financial assistance from Asian Development Bank and the technical assistance from the UK. This campus initially offered courses at the trade and technician levels. Now, it is offering Diploma level courses in the Civil, Electrical, Mechanical and Refrigeration/Air-conditioning Engineering. From academic year 2000/2001 Bachelor’s Degree program in Agricultural Engineering has been started.

    The Western Region Campus in Pokhara of IOE became operational from 1987, with the assistance from the World Bank and UNDP/ILO. Initially various trades and technician courses were offered at this campus. At present, it is offering Diploma level courses in the Civil, Electrical, Electronics, Automobile and Mechanical Engineering. From academic year 1999/2000 Bachelor’s Degree program in Civil Engineering has been started.

  7. Paul

    Let us not argue on ‘not all pods in a pea are the same’. The author has already stated that there are exceptions on what he is saying. He is truly trying to speak on general trend of IOE graduates and to make them realize their true potential. This is a very positive and direct open question to all the IOE graduates:D

    The only thing they are not being able to take is RISK. When there’s nothing to lose, they are still afraid of exploring and experimenting with their ideas. The tiny greed for fast money, easy work, laziness keeps them away from being innovative and challenging, and they are more dependent on others for their living. The traditional grading system focuses more on rote learning, which is of no use when it comes to solving real world problems. The potential in these graduates remain as potential energy like our water resources and seldom turns into kinetic energy.

    But the stereotypical image is changing, as big organizations are trying to seek graduates from other institutions also. This is a positive strive towards developing a healthy competition. Existence of you is what it matters, but we all need to fight for it.

  8. mirror

    Optimistically I should say author’s assertion helps IOEns accept the challenge to be extrovert, come up with vision, face the challenges taking broader role, advocate and implement team work for success. But, on the otherside he seems to have narrow knowledge and biased to tell about the IOEns whose contributions have become legend to establish enterprenuership around the world in technical as well as non tech fields. Take an example of D2HS (Veriskhealth’s) that reached to current status due to major contribution of IOEns. In Nepalese context, the IOE product comes in front rows because of the student’s dedication and college environment. Everywhere, students may not have softskills and other attributes that autor talked about. That is why the organization, where he is attached with, are responsible to brush him up and invest to bring out his or her hidden talents, no matter whether they are from IOE or other insititutions. Thus the good environment and opportunities helps to widen the personnel and professional career.

    Finally I must thank to the author for his “hawkeyes” to find the countable number of IOEns who should improve themselves to gain the attributes he mentioned.

  9. OpenAkash

    As far as I am concerned I don’t think it is just the problem of IOE gradutes, even graduates from KU or any other institution have similar attitude. Innovation, knowledge representation and research works have been minimal in college days and that continues when they go to industry or grad school. During colleges days, individual heroics while working on a projects are highly rated rather than a nice project worked around in a team. Basically, it is the scenario that is set up in the college environment, and they never get out it. The dream of silicon valley in Nepal is inevitable however, trivial as well.

  10. Ashay

    With humble submission to the writer, I would like to state that not all pods in a pea are the same. There have been several success stories of innovation to come out of the premier technology in the country. I do not agree that association with an Institution means that you forever forget where you are from. There is great pride in coming from IOE and we wear that on our sleeves. However, the assertion that this means we stay away from other college graduates or belittle them is not a correct perception.

    IOE has over the years had a great talent pool to boast of, but to say that every good engineer in the country hails from there is not a view any self respecting IOE graduate actually buys into. We respect every colleague, irrespective of where they come from. That the last university you attended was MIT, AIT, IOE or KU is of no consequence in the meeting room. And most of my colleagues have always shown that we embrace the friendship of anyone, without checking to see if they did actually attend our own college.

    I will agree that innovation is not ingrained into an IOE graduates’ mind by every one of our teachers, but there are some teachers who take great pride in opening our minds to the fact that engineers are not meant to keep jobs, but to create them. A lot of new IOE graduates do show skills of an enterprenuer, but not all of them follow their dreams that one extra second to not loose resolve.

    That we are recognized as great taskmasters and task wizards is of great consequence, and shows that we have been on the right path. Ideas do germinate within bounds of the campus, and we need to foster an environment that allows them to prosper. An MIT graduate with a great business plan would have a great shot at a Venture Capitalist or a bank backing his business, but a lot of IOE students innovative ideas get nipped in the bud because of lack of trustworthy brands of Venture Capitalists.

    We can create a great pool of ideas from the institute, but we need to give them confidence to follow through on them. It was in 2001 that a social networking project was visualized by IOE graduates, but they did not have the courage of Zuckerberg and their idea went to the bin before it could make it onto someone’s desk. The lack of confidence stems not just from lack of belief in their own abilities, but from our upbringing. We are taught as children to dream up consequences before we take any step, and because of that, barring some very courageous people, we end up not trusting ourselves to go the extra mile.

    IOE graduates could do with that last push, the country could do with the visualization of their ideas.
    This is not by any means limited to IOE grads, but I can only speak the language I know of. I am sure the same push would be true of all Nepali Engineers, indeed of all individuals, barring the select few who can deliver without it.

  11. Sajan Sangraula

    Your experience with the number of IOE alums over the years certainly gives a unique position to make assertive comments, and I appreciate your desire and your efforts in drawing a trend among IOE graduates and in suggesting opportunities to improvise. But i fail to agree with the generic statements of underachievement, under-confidence and deficit of drive and energy.

    Over the years, IOE grads have taken leadership positions in both the private and public sector in both Nepal and abroad. Even in D2HawkeyeServices, Pulchowk grads hold driving positions in operations, research and development, and the new engineers coming out of the college continue to make an impression. We take pride in our IOE association but are equally respectful of other colleges, and thus that cannot be taken as a sign of arrogance. We are of course a mixed bunch, ranging from people who like to lead the crowd to the one who like to focus on the task at hand. I believe the complete range is important for companies and the society.

    For the IOE grads among us, I think it is important to consider the comments as an expert perception of our generic nature, and at the same stand up and disagree with examples of our achievement on different walks. The idea to contribute to the quality of future graduates coming out of Pulchowk is a noble one and something to take notice of.

  12. mukeshsah

    Am in full accord with the author.The best attitute as an employee should be he/she should forget the name and fame of alma mater once they are into the organization. Once we are a D2ian we should not be separated as IOEian or others. One few hour entrance can’t segregate the full cream of the nation so are even scattered in college throughout the nation. It’s not only the fault of the IOE or other college students but the bulk of the fault goes to the Organization itself, giving so much of high priority to specific colleges. Bigger company in India give the IITians the first preference than other institute for same level of work with much higher benefits, But in run of time the IITians are left behind. The majority loosing job during recession was IIT and IIM graduates(Reason I believe: One IITian costs twice than other graduates but the works is the same, so better cut down one IITian rather than two others).Don’t still agree IOE can be compared with IIT when we have only seen IOE, still a mammoth gap.

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